HMS MARY ROSE WW1 100TH ANNIVERSARY 17th October 2017

HMS Mary Rose WW1 100th Anniversary October 2017

This event is being organised to Remember of the Crew of HMS Mary Rose WWI, who lost their lives fighting for their King and Country and the survivors of the days event and to ‘Remember Them’ on this 100th anniversary.

The events start on the 13th October 2017 with a round trip by myself visiting the Naval memorials at Plymouth, Portsmouth and finishing at Chatham on the 17th October 2017.

In case of the visits to Plymouth & Portsmouth the event will start at 11am with a Roll Call of the men who served on HMS Mary Rose and who are recorded at these memorials and then the Wreath laying.

The main event is to be held at Chatham Naval Memorial at 11am on the 17th October 2017 the 100th anniversary date, where a service or Remembrance and a Wreath laying will take place.

(see links below for location details. If you clink on the map tab on the CWGC site, you will see how easy it is to find the memorial and below each event title you will see the Order of Service for each location in pdf)

Centenary Event: Day 1 – Plymouth

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Centenary Remembrance

of HMS Mary Rose

11am 13thh October 2017

Plymouth Naval Memorial, Hoe Park, Armada Way,

The Promenade, Plymouth

Wreath Laying by Sue Church

Plymouth Naval memorial http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/142001/PLYMOUTH%20NAVAL%20MEMORIAL

Sue’s Write Up: The first of the Wreath layings was going to be an emotional one, as it’s where my TEEAR, Thomas Edward, Officers Steward 12c, L 7609 (Dev) Age 25 is recorded, along with fellow crew members:

HANCOCK, Isaac, Gunner Age 42

BELL, John Edward, Able Seaman, J 37754 (Dev) Age 20

CLARKE, Alexander Alfred Cairo, Able Seaman, 199515 (Dev) – Age 34

JONES, William Richard, Able Seaman, RNVR, Wales Z 2828 Age 26

TOMS, Frederick James, Able Seaman, J 25702 (Dev) Age 21

Information board on Plymouth Naval Memorial – Credit: Sue Church
HMS Mary Rose Wreath – Credit: Sue Church

At 11 o’clock on Friday 13th October 2017 on a dull overcast morning and with dense fog rolling in from the sea, I laid my wreath at the Plymouth Naval memorial,  this was followed by two minutes silence and then the Last Post was played via a link on the Royal British Legion website. I took the time to view all the men on this memorial and took some photo’s. Here are a few to share with you.

The Poppies on Tour – Credit: Sue Church

 

I was thrilled to learn just before my visit that the Poppies from the Tower of London would be on tour & be here in Plymouth at the same time. Seeing them beautifully  arranged at the memorial, was a awesome site, very moving and especially seeing them at night time.

 

Plymouth Naval Memorial Panels at Night – Credit: Sue Church
Plymouth Naval Memorial Panels at Night – Credit: Sue Church

 

It was whilst I was talking to one of the team of staff on hand to help visitors with information or just hear their stories, I was told that at 6pm on Friday evenings, the Last Post would be played by a Bugler. This was a very special and moving moment, one I will NEVER forget!!!

 

https://www.1418now.org.uk/commissions/poppies-wave-at-plymouth/

Poppies on Tour display board – Credit: Sue Church

 

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Centenary Event: Day 2 – Portsmouth

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Centenary Remembrance

of HMS Mary Rose

11am 15h October 2017

Portsmouth Naval Memorial,

Clarence Esplanade, Portsmouth

Wreath Laying by Sue Church

Portsmouth Naval memorial: http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/144703/PORTSMOUTH%20NAVAL%20MEMORIAL

Information board on Portsmouth Naval Memorial – Credit: Liz Jones

Sue’s Write Up: At 11 o’clock on Sunday 15th October 2017 on a much clearer day than in Plymouth, I laid the Wreath at Portsmouth Naval Memorial, remembering HMS Mary Rose crew members who are recorded here:

 

LEVER, Cyril Harry, Ordinary Telegraphist, J 39633 (Dev) – Age 18

SIMMONS, Robert, Ordinary Seaman, J 36290 (Po) – Age 18

Robert Simmons Panel 25 – Credit: Liz Jones

DANN, Leonard Edward, Able Seaman, J 26346 (Po) – Age 20

CLARK, John, Able Seaman, 207167 (Po) – Age 34

Henry James Luff Panel 26 – Credit Liz Jones

ROBINSON, Alfred George, Leading Stoker, 307831 (Po) – Age 31 

LUFF, Henry James, Leading Stoker, K 18123 (Po) – Age 24

Arthur John Askew Chamber Panel 26 – Credit: Liz Jones

CHAMBERS, Arthur John Askew, Stoker 1c, K 33586 (Po) – Age 25

OGILVIE, Francis Hay, Stoker 1c, K 33760 (Po) – Age 32

 

 

 

This time I was accompanied by my friend Liz Jones (who also has a couple of One-Name Studies registered with the Guild of One-name Studies, in the names of Denman & Wilsman) Liz was also on hand to take plenty of photo’s which I’m adding some here and a video (which has to be edited first, then I’ll post here too). We read out the names of all the crew members recorded here and played the Last Post via the link on the Royal British Legion website.

 

Sue Church reflecting on the names on the Panels at Portsmouth after laying the Wreath – Credit: Liz Jones

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Centenary Event: Day 3 – Chatham 

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Centenary Remembrance

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11am 17th October 2017

Chatham Naval Memorial

51 King Bastion Road

Gillingham ME75DQ

Historical introduction and welcome to the service

by Sue Church

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The Service is led by

The Revd. Fr.David Wylie Royal Navy

Chaplain HMS Collingwood

Chatham Naval Memorial: http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/142000/CHATHAM%20NAVAL%20MEMORIAL

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Sue’s Write Up: The final event on my 6 day tour to remember the crew of HMS Mary Rose on this 100th anniversary, was always going to be a VERY emotional one. During my research over the last 5 years, I have learnt of the hardships men serving in the Royal Navy endured during War time. On my own voyage of discovery to learn more about the events of the 17th October 1917, I have learnt a lot about the Ultimate act a man or woman can make, giving their lives for King and Country. But, HMS Mary Rose was only one of TWO Royal Navy ships caught up in this incident, HMS Strongbow was the second Class M Destroyer in the convoy on this fateful day. Having tried unsuccessfully to contact anyone who was ‘Remembering’ HMS Strongbow on this day too, I was SO pleased on the morning of the 17th October, to have been contacted on the project Facebook page, by Carl Lewis and his father Roger Lewis, who were also planning to lay a wreath on behalf of the crew of HMS Strongbow and asked if they could join in our event and service. Having Carl Lewis and his family attending this service made it a truly special day for me and the other family members present.

Michael Webb and Sue Church with Royal British Legion representatives: Geoff Lees and John Clayton waiting at Chatham Naval Memorial gates – Credit: Frank Baldwin

 

 

Carl Lewis with Royal British Legion representatives: Geoff Lees and John Clayton waiting at Chatham Naval Memorial gates – Credit: Frank Baldwin

 

 

 

Service attendees arriving at Chatham Naval Memorial – Credit: Frank Baldwin
Service attendees arriving at Chatham Naval Memorial – Credit: Frank Baldwin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So under a dull sky we all gathered together at 10:30 at Chatham Naval Memorial, in attendance were:

The Rev’d. Fr.David Wylie Royal Navy (Chaplain HMS Collingwood)

Michael Webb – relative of Walter Webb (HMS Mary Rose Survivor)

John Glyn – relative of Herbert Charles Glyn (HMS Mary Rose)

Sue Church– relative of Thomas Edward Teear (HMS Mary Rose)

Frank Baldwin – cousin of myself (Chief Photographer)

Carl Lewis – relative John William Lewis (HMS Strongbow) with his wife, Jennifer, father & mother Roger and Linda Lewis

Geoff LeesJohn Clayton (Royal British Legion)

Chatham Naval Memorial Service attendees – Credit: Frank Baldwin

 

 

The days event started with a historical introduction by myself, followed by Rev’d Fr. David Wylie who lead a very moving service, which at times I found it difficult to join in vocally (See link below for the Order of Service)

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100th Anniversary Memorial Service at Chatham Naval Memorial on the 17th October 2017 – Credit: Frank Baldwin

 

Sue Church delivering a historical introduction to proceedings – Credit: Frank Baldwin

 

 

 

 

 

Sharpe family of New Zealand – Jim (76), Fred (78), Hilda (81), Tom (83), Bob (85), Jack (86) – Credit: Carl Lewis

Carl Lewis told me on the day, that this 100th Anniversary was also being remembered by the Sharpe family of New Zealand, who’s father Walter Sharpe aged 19 years old and was serving himself on HMS Strongbow.  He had spent 3 hours in the sea before being rescued by a fishing boat off the coast of Shetland and so survived the attack. Family members remembering this event were Walter’s children: Jim, Fred, Hilda, Tom, Bob & Jack.

Thank You to the Sharpe family for your kind thoughts!!!

Sue Church, Michael Webb & John Glyn reading from the Roll of Honour for the HMS Mary Rose crew – Credit: Frank Baldwin

The service included the reading of all the crew names serving on HMS Mary Rose including the 10 Survivors, for this I am grateful to the assistance of Michael Webb and John Glyn, reading 89 names, one get’s a little tongue tired, it was quite apt that as we took turns reading the names, we each got to read our own family members name, quite emotional, I can tell you.

Roger Lewis, Carl Lewis, Sue Church, Michael Webb and John Glyn – Credit: Frank Baldwin

 

 

After the Roll of Honour was read out we held a two minutes silence which, was then followed by the ‘Last Post’ (ringing out eerily from my mobile phone) over the hill top, the Wreath laying’s were then made by Sue Church for HMS Mary Rose and by Carl Lewis for HMS Strongbow

Wreath Laying – Credit: Frank Baldwin

 

Wreath Laying – Credit: Frank Baldwin

 

 

 

 

 

HMS Strongbow & HMS Mary Rose wreaths and crosses of Remembrance, against the panels which recorded members of HMS Mary Rose – Credit: Frank Baldwin
Sue Church and Carl Lewis reading some of the names on the panels – Credit: Frank Baldwin

 

 

 

 

 

 

We paid our respects and then laid crosses against the panels with our crew members names, and then we all spent time reading the lists of never ending names.

Afterwards there was a Reception at the King Charles Hotel in Gillingham, where we all gathered for a much needed drink and eats and where we all reflected on the week and days events. United in our thoughts and Forever in Remembrance of these brave men who we have Remembered on this 100th Anniversary.

Credit: Frank Baldwin

 

Frank Baldwin Quote: “The whole event was incredibly moving and by the end I felt like I had taken part in a small but important piece of history. Well done Sue!””

 

 

 

The Future: I have an extensive collection of records as a result of my 5 year’s research of  the crew of HMS Mary Rose, a Facebook group and as a result of meeting up with Carl Lewis, I shall be further expanding this project to include research on the crew of HMS Strongbow. The Facebook group has been renamed the HMS Mary Rose & HMS Strongbow Memorial Group. I’m hoping by uniting at this 100th Anniversary Event, we can form a bond, that time can not change. I dearly hope that sometime in the future I can organise a event to display all my research and share with people the Lives of our brave Fallen from HMS Mary Rose and HMS Strongbow.

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HMS Mary Rose -The Catalysts of my One-Name Study 

I joined the Guild of One-Names Studies in November 2012 after having attended a Maritime Seminar at the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich which was being organised by the Guild and was open/as always to non-members. Thomas Edward Teear was the catalyst for my actions. Having found out about him in my own Family History research, that he was involved in a devastating attack in the North See during WWI involving a convoy of Merchant ships, HMS Mary Rosehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Mary_Rose and HMS Strongbow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Strongbow_(1916) and two German light cruisers SS Bremse and Brummer.

Finding there was little on the web about this, at the time. I was contacted by a lady in Canada Kristen Den Hartog (an author, who was doing some research for a new book she was working on as her grandmother’s brother was one of only 10 men who had survived the attack). So we joined forces and together with her sister Tracy Den Hartog Kasaboski, started to research the story and whole crew of HMS Mary Rose in order to find out as much as we could and make connections with Living family. This resulted in masses of data being collected and many contacts who were also interested in the story of HMS Mary Rose. In 2013 Kristen, Tracy and I met up at the National Archives in Kew, London to look at some official records in relation to the attack on the convoy.

I wanted to do ‘Something’ to remember the events of the 17th October 2017 in my own way and pay my respects to ALL the men who died in, yet another tragic event of war.

For this reason, I started the HMS Mary Rose WW1 100th Anniversary project.

‘In Remembrance’ of their courage & ultimate sacrifice and will include information, stories and photo’s, on the immediate family of the crew members, links to the story, links to related websites and other projects (including the initiative by the Imperial War Museum ‘Livesofthefirstworldwar’)

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I was born a Air Force baby in Germany and spent my childhood moving to and from England to various locations around the world. I never felt I had a place I could truly call home. My interest in family history began as a 11 year old returning to England and having my friends ask me ‘where do you come from’ I couldn’t really answer this. I knew of my Baldwin grandparents and a couple of my father’s aunts, but rarely saw then enough to build a relationship with them. It wasn’t until later in life when I had to apply for a passport and I had to provide information about my parents etc that I realised it was about time I found out a bit more about my family. So my quest began.

7 thoughts on “HMS MARY ROSE WW1 100TH ANNIVERSARY 17th October 2017”

  1. Hi Sue, that’s all great and I hope to be with you on 17th. Sorry I haven’t replied fully as I am still away. Will do so next week. Michael

  2. My Great Grandfather was Chief Stoker John William, HMS Strongbow and died in the action of October 17th 1917. We will be at Chatham on the 100th Anniversary. May we be allowed to take part?

  3. Hi Sue, my family & I will be the Chatham Memorial on the 17th as my grandfather John William Lewis, who was the Chief Stoker on HMS Strongbow was also killed on that day. We were going to lay a wreath on that day anyway but this will make it all the more special. Thank you very much for organising it.

    1. Hi Roger. glad you made it to Chatham on the 17th and very nice to meet you all. Such a shame you had to leave and not attend the reception afterwards. Hope to keep in touch Re: HMS Strongbow 🙂 Regards Sue

  4. Hi Sue. I live in the NE of England so couldn’t make it to Chatham, but my brother and I travelled to Littleborough near Rochdale on the 17th, to lay crosses at the war memorial there, for our Grandfather Thomas Brown. He was an engine room articifer aboard HMS Mary Rose. I got your name off the Lives of the 1st WW site, where I’d added some info about Thomas. I was wondering if there was any video taken at any of the commemerations.

    1. Hi Pip. Ah what a shame you couldn’t make it to Chatham, but glad to hear you were able to Remember Thomas up there in Littleborough, it was a very emotional service and event in Chatham, the highlight of my 6 day tour and well worth all the time I have spent on this project over the last 5 years. I’m just about to add a write up on the Portsmouth and Chatham events and add more photos here on this site this week, so bare with me. I’m still trying to catch up with everyone who took photo’s, I do have a video of the Portsmouth event, just need to do some editing to it. If you took some pic’s at Littleborough, I can put them on here too if you’d like (just let me know and who you want them crediting by. If you can drop me an email to susanelizabethbaldwin@hotmail.co.uk and give me a little about the event at Littleborough I can add it too. I have research all the men on a Private Tree on Ancestry, with a common name like Brown, it was difficult to get a lot on your Thomas, but I can share what I have and perhaps with your added input, improve his Individual File and find out some more about him. Looking forward to your email Pip and Thank You for Your efforts too 🙂 Kind Regards Sue

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